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Brad Carson's avatar

Anton — strong piece, as always. But, to me, the claim that H20s are just inference underplays their role in pre-deployment. RLHF, reward modeling, and other large-scale post-training stages are effectively training, and they’re compute-hungry. That’s exactly the kind of workload H20s excel at.

So even if base pretraining is done on Ascend or illicit NVIDIA, H20s can still be decisive in shaping and polishing frontier models before deployment. That pipeline looks less like “safe inference” and more like a critical enabler of frontier development.

Do you disagree?

Steve Newman's avatar

Always appreciate your analysis!

One question / thought: my understanding is that the world's appetite for AI chips (GPUs, TPUs, etc.) substantially exceeds the supply, and that this is expected to continue for at *least* several years and possibly beyond any reasonable planning horizon, barring a major "bubble popping" event.

For that and other reasons, it seems likely that Huawei will make as many AI chips as they can, and Chinese companies will purchase and use all of them. To the extent that Chinese companies are able to access H20s and other US chips – whether legally or otherwise – this will be in addition to their use of Huawei chips, not as an alternative.

If that is the case, then the pressure to make the best possible use of Huawei chips, and thus to develop "a tightly integrated hardware-software stack" around those chips, should be ~equally as strong regardless of H20 exports? (Not to mention internal political pressure in China in support of such an effort.)

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